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You are 100% correct. When does 'hype' switch to be become downright lies? We've all seen more of this stuff it in the past year than ever before. And it's getting worse. You can bet someone from the FTC is sitting on the sidelines watching all this, and I have no doubt they'll bring out the 'big stick' and come down on someone with it sooner rather than later. --Glen | |
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| The Montana Marketer  Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Montana Posts: 32 Thanks: 2 Thanked 8 Times in 3 Posts |  Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
Amen Dude. The fact is many marketers lie. It's wrong, plain and simple. I hope they get caught up in their lies and eventually it comes to bite them in the Ass. The good thing is that the field is wide open for Ethical Marketers who tell the truth, and those are the guys I follow and will continue to give my business too. Quote:
Are you saying they are not lying about the number of copies being sold? That's really all there is too it. It doesn't matter if it is the best damn product int he world. If the copy is full of lies, the marketers are unethical. There is not much more to be said about it. If you defend it, you are casting your lot with them and it shows your character... A lie may take care of the present, but it has no future. ~Author Unknown We tell lies when we are afraid... afraid of what we don't know, afraid of what others will think, afraid of what will be found out about us. But every time we tell a lie, the thing that we fear grows stronger. ~Tad Williams Kyle | ||
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| 12-28-2010, 08:16 PM | #53 | |
| Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark. Posts: 1,282 Thanks: 9 Thanked 90 Times in 9 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? I'm already regretting getting involved in this. How do you know what I've seen and what I haven't seen? Maybe you're the psychic? I'm not surprised that you (as a joint venture partner for this product - correct?) disagree with me. This is too tiresome to participate in any further, and we'll yet again get nowhere.. hopefully next time I'll have the foresight to conclude that in advance. Quote:
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| 12-28-2010, 08:49 PM | #54 | |
| Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Encino, CA, USA. Posts: 69 Thanks: 1 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? I felt the same way. I was like 4 videos ok cool. 4 videos = 8hours of video. 8 HOURS, come on can't they condense it into some pdfs, too. IDK, anyone buy any of the upsells? is it worth it? Quote:
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| 12-28-2010, 09:07 PM | #55 | |
| Wannabe Entrepreneur War Room Member  Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 419 Thanks: 17 Thanked 67 Times in 44 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? I logged into my email account today and I received not 1, not 2, but 5 emails about this product from who I thought were ethical guys, but it seems they don't give a crap what they promote these days as long as there is money to made. These kind of people really give the whole IM business a bad name. Here's who I received an email about this product. 1. Sean Donahoe 2. Anik Singal 3. Jason Parker 4. Michael Jones 5. Bryan Winters Quote:
How do you he hasn't seen the inside of a product? You must be the physic one. Your last comment is the reason why I am unsubscribing from your list. You have now lost a potential money maker. Good luck with your future endeavors. | |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:22 PM | #56 |
| Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 24 Thanks: 0 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? They are only going to sell 200, but then they talk behind what they think are closed doors about breaking a gravity record. Hmmmm........ |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:23 PM | #57 |
| The SEO master War Room Member  Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,234 Thanks: 99 Thanked 578 Times in 117 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? There's very few marketers these days whom I respect anymore. It's all the same thing, the same false promises, hell they don't even want you to know what it is. Aside from the products themselves, and I can't even begin to mention how many times I've hit the 'unsubscribe' button and lost respect for marketers whom I thought were the real deal, and actually care about what they send to their subscribers. If I personally had a software, technique, or strategy that would take me from nothing, to thousands overnight you bet I'd show you the entire thing on video. I'd show you the software, I'd show you the empty account, I'd show me running the program, or I'd tell you how the strategy can actually work, then show the results. You don't make money overnight with SEO, period. You DEFINITELY would never make the kind of money they show, by selecting keywords, niches and building sites. Even if you keep press releases in Google news on the first page for an entire day, you still won't make that much money with Google because they can't be promotional. I watched the video, and read the letter, and from what I see above the product itself is not even slightly congruent with the sales pitch. You know, these people would make so much more money if they could build the 'trust' factor in their customers before and after the sale. I see very few trying to build trust, or be honest with their customers. There was another push button product that just came out. The guy talked about how 'gurus are lying to you', this and that while he's sitting there saying you'll make 100k a month with just a few clicks of a mouse. My advice, from reading the reviews above and having looked over the sales page, is to just stop buying 'blind' offers. Buy things you know you need or want to learn, and buy it on purpose! When you buy 'blind' offers like this one, you're just gambling. You don't know if you'll gain value, you don't know if you'll make money, you don't know anything except for some joker saying 'holy crap this is crazy' is showing income that's not even the slightest bit generated from the methods he's apparently teaching in the course. What he should have done, is say, this is how you whip up an IM product full of hype with a 'blind offer' and watch the sales pour in. In that case, his video would have fit perfectly. |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:28 PM | #58 |
| Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Lake Oswego, OR Posts: 51 Thanks: 16 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Its official This is a slick product By slick marketers You guys crack me up This is the most over hyped system of the day I think I received about emails from 30 guns promoting it today! And it is a very nice offering at $37 However the self adoration, the repetitive nature of the way they teach? Then the drive to the bottom marketing techniques! What do they think we are? Its official ~ Matt and Alen and the 30 or so guns today ~ I proclaim you 'sell outs' Seriously, why take a killer product and ho it out so hard? Come on, let's bring the quality to our marketplace, and lose the count dracula fake voice to hype falsehoods? Otherwise you are detracting from the actual quality. Finally, the upsell system ~ brilliant ~ new records will be hit by lame believers buying the holy cr*p fake self adoring hype. |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:28 PM | #59 | |
| HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 371 Thanks: 4 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
First off... I am not Matt's friend... A friend is someone you hang out with, can call on for help, and that you personally know. Matt is none of these things to me, so I haven't jumped on promoting this to stroke the belly of a friend. Second, I don't have male genitalia so any contest of who has the bigger one I don't participate in.  And third even if I could beat out ALL the bigger boys for a $10,000 cash prize, if I wanted a $10,000 cash prize I would sell my own product. I promoted Matt's product because I have learned a ton from him, I have had him personally help me with his input on things (of which has made me a great deal of money), and I actually went through the entire product and what is taught will build lists for you... I don't promote anything just to make a buck. I promote things because my peeps rely on me to tell them what works and what doesn't, and I wont promote something that doesn't. So before you start throwing rocks watch where you're aiming... Liz | |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:32 PM | #60 | |
| HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 371 Thanks: 4 Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
He was my lifeline when I got started years ago, and if it weren't for his guidance I'd be lost like so many others out there. | |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:38 PM | #61 | |
| Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 62 Thanks: 7 Thanked 6 Times in 3 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
But, aren't we afraid of being offensive? Or, are we just assuming that the fat wallet will cushion the blow(s)... I gotta admit, that video was getting my attention. Was Clickbank going to have enough money for all of us? Oh, well. | |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:39 PM | #62 |
| Wannabe Entrepreneur War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 419 Thanks: 17 Thanked 67 Times in 44 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? The thing that got under my skin while watching the video, was when he logged in the 2nd day and said "holy crap" a few times. This was so fake! Why? If you read the sales page you notice they "tested" this for 18 months making over $2,000,000. So if by setting a new account to show us that this works and then logging in and pretending to be surprised is just beyond gaining any trust from me. I mean come on! How stupid do these guys think we are? |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:44 PM | #63 |
| Advanced Profit Engineer War Room Member  Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 498 Thanks: 10 Thanked 113 Times in 81 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? The basic $37 (without upsells) is a steal. Great advice from Alen Saltanic who's a borderline genius. Great "Money Machine" templates and pretty super software that rivals Marketing Samurai in some ways. Truthfully it's really Alen's course with Matt as the big named "host" like Ryan Deiss has been doing lately. BUY THIS |
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| 12-28-2010, 09:54 PM | #64 | |
| The SEO master War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,234 Thanks: 99 Thanked 578 Times in 117 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
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| 12-28-2010, 10:19 PM | #65 |
| Expert Warrior  Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 197 Thanks: 14 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? The product may be OK; however, all the lies on the sales letter really make me very angry! I think some gurus have been crossing the line lately. The sales later is not full of hype, it is full of blatant lies. Period. I'm unsubscribing from everyone who's sending me e-mails promoting this product. DJB |
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| 12-28-2010, 10:35 PM | #66 | |
| The SEO master War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,234 Thanks: 99 Thanked 578 Times in 117 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
The last thing an affiliate wants during a mailing is a MASSIVE unsubscribe rate. That's exactly what happens when they promote a product like this, they lose so many loyal subscribers they worked so hard to earn because they couldn't take the time to actually REVIEW the product they're recommending. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the big list owners lost 10% or more of their subscribers because of the blatant false claims and HYPE in the sales funnel. I mean think about it, if you have a list of 100k+ subscribers (I know FOR A FACT some of the guys emails I got have higher than this), you're obviously making money. So why not spend the darn $37, realize it's not good enough for your list, and look for something else to promote. I don't mind getting affiliate links via e-mail, that's not my issue, my issue is the fact that these people could care less about their list, I AM THEIR LIST, a real person on the other end of the e-mail. | |
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| 12-28-2010, 11:05 PM | #67 |
| Warrior Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Everywhere! Posts: 27 Thanks: 27 Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Hey Everyone, After recieving a lot of mails promoting this product, I went and bought it, not on the salespage, but on Jani G's opinion. Ok. First of all, there are 4 modules. They teach you the method. And note, you don't directly make money with your software, you first do keyword research, niche research, set up your website, add autoresponder and get the content. All the software does is checks for keywords, niches, and stuff. The main principle is to build a squeeze page(they provide one!) on a good SEO keyword and bring traffic to it. Nothing new. So forget about "13 clicks to $7k per day". Each website will require a lot of time. Around 1-2 hours maybe more. If you are a newbie, I think you should go for it. But NOTE: This method requires you to have Adobe Photoshop($1000), and many other softwares. So if you have a lot of cash to spend, you can go for it. Otherwise, I highly recommend you dont'. The only thing I liked in the course was the squeeze page. They look very attractive and I might use them. Also, I am not saying that the method won't work. I am saying that it will require time, money, effort and more than 13 clicks. And not to forget, it is nothing new! I am ready to answer all your questions, if asked! |
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| 12-28-2010, 11:12 PM | #68 |
| Active Warrior War Room Member  Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Rockmart, Georgia Posts: 90 Thanks: 18 Thanked 21 Times in 18 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? "If you can click your mouse 13 times and if you can click the submit button once"...... That pretty much says is all. They are counting on you to do exactly that and purchase their product. I think it takes about 13 clicks and press the "pay" button and Matt, his bud and all the JV's promoting this make a good chunk of change. So, there is your truth in advertising..=) I could say more but that would just be reflecting what everyone else has said in this thread but would like to add that I don't EVER hesitate on pulling the "buy" trigger on products that just spell out what they do and how they can help me accomplish what I need to do. The more I know about the product being sold...the quicker I buy. I see pitches like this one and I am gone in 60 seconds....and so are all the JV's I get in my inbox promoting it. And, just to be clear...this is NOT about the product being sold...it's about the way it is being sold. It just tells me that the product obviously cannot sell itself and the only buttons I am pushing at that point is....Unsubscribe.... |
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| 12-28-2010, 11:16 PM | #69 | |
| Web Marketing Specialist War Room Member  Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Torrance,California Posts: 934 Thanks: 29 Thanked 95 Times in 84 Posts |  Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Liz... You diffently deserve an award for quote of the day here  Thanks for making me smile. Quote:
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| 12-28-2010, 11:30 PM | #70 |
| Product Review Guy  Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 136 Thanks: 1 Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? I didn't like way it is being sold but I like what they are giving in $37. Its certainly a steal. What I found in this thread is almost everyone is bashing the product owner, jv's and affiliates. People come here to see the product reviews rather the stuff you people are talking about. Ok let me tell you one thing here that the business model they are recommending is already making me at average $7k+ per month if I take the average of last 6 months and continuously improving. Still I have learned some good things from it. Did you buy the product? If not then don't post your comments about the product when you don't know what you are talking about. |
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| 12-28-2010, 11:38 PM | #71 |
| Warrior Member War Room Member  Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 9 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Gang, I was curious enough to actually purchase the product, and all I can say is the over-hype about the product is just that. If it sounds too good to be true, guess what? It is and I will ask for a refund, as there is nothing new except for the "secret" keyword software (not). I also hate to bash other IM'ers but I'm sure they will still make a killing off this product, as it does appeal to newbies and has enough info to help them, at least a little. Dontono |
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| 12-28-2010, 11:49 PM | #72 | |
| HyperActive Warrior War Room Member  Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Iowa City, IA, USA. Posts: 267 Thanks: 168 Thanked 358 Times in 67 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Well is it a great product? I checked it out and I think it's great for someone who buys it with the right expectations. To get a solid foundational understanding of setting up these small niche sites and outsourcing traffic to it (and picking the right niches, and creating a good conversion process). But if someone buys it on the expectations of what they're led to believe (from the sales letter), then this is a horrible product. "All it takes is 4 videos to watch, 13 clicks to make, and one button to activate it". No it doesn't. So if you bought it because of this, you're getting a horrible product, plain and simple... because it doesn't even come close to what it's advertised to do. They're letting you in by invitation and keeping the page "hidden" - therefore it will be more effective for YOU since you're one of only 200 who know these sacred secrets. FALSE - everybody has been invited to it. You have no competitive advantage because of exclusivity. So if you bought it for this reason - it's a horrible product. "100% free traffic". Outsourcing is not free. So if you bought this because you were led to believe that you could do this without spending money to generate the traffic - then it's a horrible product. If you bought it because you thought you could 1)configure the system 2) activate the software and 3) copy, paste and profit... then you're in for a rude awakening because this product will not deliver that... thus making it a horrible product since it promised this and completely failed to deliver on it. You don't need any previous experience, technical expertise, how to build a website, spend ANYTHING on advertising, or wait months to succeed... or even be an expert. FALSE. FALSE. FALSE. So if you bought this product thinking it will help you succeed with no experience at all... then it is a horrible product. If you bought this to get a good foundational understanding of picking profitable niches and outsourcing the grunt work for some IMO basic but effective SEO, then yeah this is a great deal for $37. But how many people you think are buying it because of THAT? Almost no one. Hence, for most people it will be a horrible product. Quote:
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| 12-29-2010, 12:07 AM | #73 | |
| The Montana Marketer Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Montana Posts: 32 Thanks: 2 Thanked 8 Times in 3 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
1. Scarcity 2. Quick Promise of Success 3. It's EASY, just 1,2,3 you make money. It's damn Rubbish the way they are promoting it. Hell you did a better job of describing what it is then they did. But of course yours was minus all the hype. Some people will do anything to get someone to click BUY these days. Just Sad and Pathetic and they should be ashamed of the way they are promoting it. Kyle | |
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| 12-29-2010, 12:13 AM | #74 | |
| Web Marketing Specialist War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Torrance,California Posts: 934 Thanks: 29 Thanked 95 Times in 84 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Yep....thats why Jason Fladlien has a great reputation as an internet marketer and teacher....most would agree! He would never create a sales page like this and try and pass it off to his subscribers...he cares about his customers to much and would want them to know exactly what it is thats being sold. Just look at his products and sales pages. They are simple and to the point. See...you really can be honest and successful at the same time Quote:
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| 12-29-2010, 12:15 AM | #75 |
| Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 41 Thanks: 24 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Indeed, the opinions seem to go from one side to the other, favoring the unethical, but that said, can somebody enlighten me, what exactly is the meat of this offer? Outsourcing, list building(how), email marketing, finding new niches? What? I mean most of us do that already-I think- If one of you has actually bought it, then tell me if there's anything to it(and what it is) instead of just pouring on about ethics and all that. Fair? |
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| 12-29-2010, 12:17 AM | #76 |
| HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Australia. Posts: 131 Thanks: 7 Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Thankyou everyone. I was curious about this product -- You've just saved me some valuable $$ Came here to read the reviews after receiving the usual influx of promo emails This sales approach makes me very angry :|, so much so that I've just finished un-subscribing from a dozen or so lists from marketers I used to follow (not any more ...) Tactics like this are exactly why for the most part I avoid Clickbank products like the plague. I wonder how many refund requests will be received after people don't make their $thousands overnight?? |
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| 12-29-2010, 12:19 AM | #77 |
| Product Review Guy Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 136 Thanks: 1 Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Nothing can make huge profits overnight and if something could, then it will not be permanent. I don't know why people think to become millionaire over night. Come on this is not possible. Actually people have been scammed several time in past months and they now start thinking everything is crap without buying it. MMM is a good product but the way they are promoting is bad and unethical. Give it a try and if it do not make you money then PM me I will provide free coaching to you that will make you at least $10k in next 6 months. This is not the deal i am giving here but trying to make you understand the worth of the product. |
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| 12-29-2010, 12:31 AM | #78 | |
| Warrior Member  Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 27 Thanks: 14 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
That makes a lot of sense. Price it so that the Clickbank gravity jumps up high and will, therefore, be promoted by more affiliates, resulting in additional upsells being sold plus a MUCH larger list created for future marketing. Brian | |
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| 12-29-2010, 12:37 AM | #79 |
| Active Warrior Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 41 Thanks: 24 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Thanks Jason, as it happened, in between the clicks here, Jason delivered what I was looking for. Now, I just might want to buy it, and to be sure, not because of the sales letter. It gets me thinking tho´, I mean I don't know Matt Bacak from beans, and so either he's trublue or not, but I am thinking that he too, wants to do it right by his customers, that is, if he won't, he no longer has customers-right? So could it be, that he just does not trust the ethical high road in marketing? Like, he'd love to do it, is all for it, and all that, but just can't believe that an average reader(potential buyer) would care rats ass…..i.e., his hype and lies even, will make him more money in the end. What do you think? |
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| 12-29-2010, 12:42 AM | #80 |
| Active Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: miami, florida Posts: 60 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Just the fact that they give the old scarcity line of just 200 being sold is enough to know about this product. Anytime a marketer gives me that line, I know not to go nrar their b.s with a ten foot pole! Yes, i know it's effective with the newbies, and those that are naive, but they are still downright liars and Liz Tomey should be ashamed of herselffor trying to defend these guys. |
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| 12-29-2010, 01:31 AM | #81 |
| Gordon War Room Member  Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 254 Thanks: 7 Thanked 29 Times in 21 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? wonder how many marketers have burnt thier list with this one...and other similar offers this year! I was always taught that, in business it's hard to get a new customer but very easy to lose them... What will 2011 bring I wonder..more of the same or? Happy and prosperous NY to everyone.. Gordon. |
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| Product Review Guy Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 136 Thanks: 1 Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
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| Product Review Guy Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 136 Thanks: 1 Thanked 23 Times in 18 Posts | Re: Mass Money Makers by Matt Bacak? Quote:
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